Hey, I maybe 5 months too young to contribute, but my parents have brewed their own beer for nearly 8 years (non consecutive) along with expierencing quite a few diffrent types of beer, I have some favs... I gotta say Gritty McDuff's, either Vacationland Summer Ale, or Gritty's Christmas Ale :]
http://www.grittys.com/vsa.php
http://www.grittys.com/ca.php
Oh and there's Sea Dog's Blue Paw Wheat Ale, made with fresh Maine blueberries.... yuuummmmm!
http://www.seadogbrewing.com/seadogbrews.php
...every town has one
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A Taste for Brews That Go to Extremes
by Mathew_NJ on Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:08 pm
January 9, 2008
Beers of The Times
A Taste for Brews That Go to Extremes
By ERIC ASIMOV NYT
AS a life philosophy, it may not lead to wealth, happiness or old age, but for many American brewers today the motto printed on the bottle of Moylander Double I.P.A., from Moylan’s, a West Coast brewer, is a guiding principle:
“If one is good, then two is better!”
Such is the ethos of extreme beers, an all-American genre in which brewers are engaged in a constant game of “Can you top this?” Whether using an inordinate amount of traditional ingredients like malt or hops, or adding flavorings undreamed of by Old World brewers, American brewers have created a signature style that beer enthusiasts seem both to love and hate.
In the last 30 years American brewers have produced exceptional versions of classic Old World styles, whether pale ales or Pilseners, porters or stouts. They’ve even resuscitated nearly extinct styles like India pale ale, now one of the more popular genres in the United States. But nothing has caught their imagination like going over the top.
Forget about I.P.A.’s, strong, hoppy brews developed by the British centuries ago to withstand the ocean voyage to colonial India. Americans are now making double I.P.A.’s, Extreme I.P.A.’s, even Unearthly I.P.A.’s.
Nowadays, the beer shelves are so crammed with brews labeled Maximus, Monstrous and Imperial that you feel as if you’ve stumbled into a file of e-mail spam.
In this world, bigger is always better, and why not? Hummers rule the road and 16 percent alcohol pinot noirs rule the wine ratings. Why not a beer like Stone Ruination I.P.A., so-called, the brewery proudly asserts, because of the ruinous effect of “this massive hop monster” on your palate. Are you man or woman enough for this beer?
Many beer lovers are aghast at the creative liberties American brewers are taking with traditional styles, feeling that the bigger-is-better principle is reducing American brewing to the equivalent of a frat party.
But to the brewers themselves, it is a matter of creative pride, not to mention patriotism.
“We’re the same country that put men on the moon, and we’re taking the same approach to beer,” said Brendan Moylan, the founder of Moylan Brewing Company in Novato, Calif. “We passed the rest of the world by ages ago, and they’re just waking up to it.”
He’s right. From Asia to Italy, brewers are trying to emulate these beers. Not content with the Moylander Double I.P.A., Mr. Moylan now makes what he calls a triple I.P.A., Hopsickle Imperial, which he said was “the hoppiest beer on earth.”
To judge for ourselves whether these transgressive beers were simply stretching boundaries in creative ways or were the doomed siblings of cars with tail fins, the tasting panel sampled 25 examples, all from American brewers. Florence Fabricant and I were joined for the tasting by Garrett Oliver, brewmaster of the Brooklyn Brewery, and Phil Markowski, the brewmaster at the Southampton Publick House, a restaurant and brewery in Southampton, N.Y.
Each of us, I think it is fair to say, came to the tasting with a dose of skepticism. The philosophy of more is better, we agreed, is generally ridiculous. Nonetheless, for many people in the beer world, the question of extreme beers is a touchy subject.
“The hoppiest beer?” Garrett asked. “It’s a fairly idiotic pursuit, like a chef saying, ‘This is the saltiest dish.’ Anyone can toss hops in a pot, but can you make it beautiful?”
Phil likened the appeal of these beers to the macho allure of hot sauces, which almost dare enthusiasts to try the hottest ones.
Meanwhile, Garrett finds it offensive that brewers use terms like double I.P.A. “It’s claptrap intended to cloud the illustrious history of the style,” he said. “It’s like calling a wine double Beaujolais — it’s an insult.”
Gee, we hadn’t even gotten to the beers yet.
Actually, I’m less bothered than Garrett by double I.P.A.’s. Europe already has a tradition of augmentative beer terminology, like bock and doppelbock in Germany, and Belgian Trappist ales, which may be double and triple.
Of course, those styles are well understood. Here in the United States, double, imperial and the rest can mean whatever the brewer wants them to mean. Certainly, too, the Old World has its tradition of huge beers. Imperial porters and stouts, barley wines and Trappist ales can easily contain more than 10 percent alcohol, roughly twice the ordinary amount.
We did not include American versions of these genres in our tasting, on the theory that they were not new stylistically. Nor did we include beers that used unusual ingredients or flavorings, like maple syrup, kumquats or whatever. Instead, we focused on beers that took existing styles and exaggerated them. For the most part, this means beers that are hoppy in the extreme.
Brewers have always used the resiny cone of the hop plant to add bitterness and aromas to beer. Hops and alcohol also act as a preservative, and you could make the case that India pale ale, with its higher-than-normal alcohol and hops content, was an extreme beer of the 18th century. So it makes sense that most of the extreme beers today are characterized by their ultrahoppiness. Of the 25 beers we tasted, at least 20 of them would fall into the category of exaggerated I.P.A.’s regardless of what they call themselves.
To carry their extraordinary bitterness and aromatic zest, these beers need a sturdy foundation, so they tend to have outsize malty qualities as well as high alcohol. They are not therefore session beers, brews that you can drink in multiple pints over the course of an evening. Still, the best versions, in which all the elements are well balanced, are highly appealing. Florence, in particular, was surprised at how many she found likable, and even elegant.
Our favorite was the robust 90 Minute Imperial I.P.A. from Dogfish Head, a beer that balances its exaggerated caramel and chocolate sweetness with a bracing bitterness derived from hops. If you sneer at the 90 Minute, Dogfish also occasionally issues its 120 Minute I.P.A., which, at 20 percent alcohol, may well be, as the brewery contends, “the biggest I.P.A. ever brewed.”
Our No. 2 beer, the Weyerbacher Double Simcoe I.P.A., seemed to embody the term “killer,” the extreme beer fan’s favorite compliment. Killer hops, killer fruit, overwhelming yet bearable, even enjoyable, because it is so well balanced.
The No. 3 beer, the I.P.A. Maximus from Lagunitas, was something of a lightweight in this crowd with a mere 7.5 percent alcohol, yet it was lively and energetic with a lush citrus perfume.
By contrast, the Gordon from Oskar Blues — the only beer in our tasting to come in a can — was practically mellow and subdued. Was that a good thing? We thought so, because the flavors were nonetheless distinct and complex.
You would not call the Victory Hop Wallop mellow, but it was fresh and delicious. And you would never call Mad River’s Steelhead Double I.P.A. or Flying Dog’s Double Dog Double Pale Ale subdued. Their signature hop aromas practically punch you in the face.
Our tasting included just a small sampling of the wide variety of extreme beers out there. Frankly, while most American craft brewers do make a version of an extreme beer, they also produce traditional styles as well.
“The extreme beers definitely get more attention,” Mr. Moylan of Moylan Brewery conceded, “but here in the brew pub, most people are drinking the mellower stuff.”
Perhaps that’s a good thing, because the brewing world is now facing an international hops shortage. No, it’s not because of the daunting amount of hops used in many extreme beers. It’s more a result of the normal cycle of supply and demand.
Overproduction of hops in the early 1990s resulted in excess supply and depressed prices, said Ralph Olson, a hops dealer based in Yakima, Wash. As a result, world hop acreage has fallen from about 234,000 in 1994 to 113,000 in 2006. It may take several years, Mr. Olson suggested, for hops production to be able to meet current demands.
Meanwhile, expect beer prices to go up. But there’s nothing wrong with that. If $10 a six-pack is good, $12 is better, right?
Tasting Report: Careful, These Are Beers That Can Bite
Dogfish Head
$3.50, 12 oz.
** 1/2
90 Minute Imperial I.P.A., Milton, Del., 9 percent alcohol
Big and robust with chocolate, caramel and balsam flavors and a
bracingly bitter aftertaste.
Weyerbacher Double Simcoe I.P.A.
$3, 12 oz.
** 1/2
Easton, Pa., 9 percent alcohol
Big and almost overwhelmingly intense yet balanced, with aromas and flavors of sweet fruit and piney hops.
Lagunitas I.P.A. Maximus
$5, 22 oz.
** 1/2
Petaluma, Calif., 7.5 percent alcohol
Lively and energetic with hoppy pine and grapefruit aromas balanced by sweet, grainy malt.
Oskar Blues Gordon
$4.25, 12 oz.
** 1/2 Lyons, Colo., 8.7 percent alcohol
Hoppy aromas of pine resin, yet mellow and balanced with lingering flavors of licorice and tamarind.
Victory Hop Wallop
$2.50, 12 oz.
** 1/2
Downingtown, Pa., 8.5 percent alcohol
Extremely bitter hop flavors, yet balanced with floral and ginger
aromas.
Mad River Brewing Steelhead
$1.75, 12 oz.
** 1/2
Double I.P.A., Blue Lake, Calif., 8.6 percent alcohol
Aromas of caramel and butterscotch with briny flavors and plenty
of hoppy bitterness.
Flying Dog
$3, 12 oz.
**
Double Dog Double Pale Ale, Frederick, Md.
10.5 percent alcohol
Like a fruitcake with hops; fruity with caramel and vanilla flavors and lots of bitter citrus.
Moylan’s Moylander Double I.P.A.
$5.25, 22 oz.
**
Novato, Calif., 8.5 percent alcohol
Hoppy aromas of grapefruit, flowers and pine; full-bodied and slightly sweet yet balanced.
Southern Tier Unearthly
$7, 22 oz.
**
Imperial I.P.A., Lakewood, N.Y., 11 percent alcohol
Silky and very sweet with a Grand Marnier-like orange flavor.
Great Divide Hercules Double I.P.A.
$8, 22 oz.
**
Denver, Colo., 9.1 percent alcohol
Powerful, spicy grapefruit flavors and a lingering alcohol burn.
Beers of The Times
A Taste for Brews That Go to Extremes
By ERIC ASIMOV NYT
AS a life philosophy, it may not lead to wealth, happiness or old age, but for many American brewers today the motto printed on the bottle of Moylander Double I.P.A., from Moylan’s, a West Coast brewer, is a guiding principle:
“If one is good, then two is better!”
Such is the ethos of extreme beers, an all-American genre in which brewers are engaged in a constant game of “Can you top this?” Whether using an inordinate amount of traditional ingredients like malt or hops, or adding flavorings undreamed of by Old World brewers, American brewers have created a signature style that beer enthusiasts seem both to love and hate.
In the last 30 years American brewers have produced exceptional versions of classic Old World styles, whether pale ales or Pilseners, porters or stouts. They’ve even resuscitated nearly extinct styles like India pale ale, now one of the more popular genres in the United States. But nothing has caught their imagination like going over the top.
Forget about I.P.A.’s, strong, hoppy brews developed by the British centuries ago to withstand the ocean voyage to colonial India. Americans are now making double I.P.A.’s, Extreme I.P.A.’s, even Unearthly I.P.A.’s.
Nowadays, the beer shelves are so crammed with brews labeled Maximus, Monstrous and Imperial that you feel as if you’ve stumbled into a file of e-mail spam.
In this world, bigger is always better, and why not? Hummers rule the road and 16 percent alcohol pinot noirs rule the wine ratings. Why not a beer like Stone Ruination I.P.A., so-called, the brewery proudly asserts, because of the ruinous effect of “this massive hop monster” on your palate. Are you man or woman enough for this beer?
Many beer lovers are aghast at the creative liberties American brewers are taking with traditional styles, feeling that the bigger-is-better principle is reducing American brewing to the equivalent of a frat party.
But to the brewers themselves, it is a matter of creative pride, not to mention patriotism.
“We’re the same country that put men on the moon, and we’re taking the same approach to beer,” said Brendan Moylan, the founder of Moylan Brewing Company in Novato, Calif. “We passed the rest of the world by ages ago, and they’re just waking up to it.”
He’s right. From Asia to Italy, brewers are trying to emulate these beers. Not content with the Moylander Double I.P.A., Mr. Moylan now makes what he calls a triple I.P.A., Hopsickle Imperial, which he said was “the hoppiest beer on earth.”
To judge for ourselves whether these transgressive beers were simply stretching boundaries in creative ways or were the doomed siblings of cars with tail fins, the tasting panel sampled 25 examples, all from American brewers. Florence Fabricant and I were joined for the tasting by Garrett Oliver, brewmaster of the Brooklyn Brewery, and Phil Markowski, the brewmaster at the Southampton Publick House, a restaurant and brewery in Southampton, N.Y.
Each of us, I think it is fair to say, came to the tasting with a dose of skepticism. The philosophy of more is better, we agreed, is generally ridiculous. Nonetheless, for many people in the beer world, the question of extreme beers is a touchy subject.
“The hoppiest beer?” Garrett asked. “It’s a fairly idiotic pursuit, like a chef saying, ‘This is the saltiest dish.’ Anyone can toss hops in a pot, but can you make it beautiful?”
Phil likened the appeal of these beers to the macho allure of hot sauces, which almost dare enthusiasts to try the hottest ones.
Meanwhile, Garrett finds it offensive that brewers use terms like double I.P.A. “It’s claptrap intended to cloud the illustrious history of the style,” he said. “It’s like calling a wine double Beaujolais — it’s an insult.”
Gee, we hadn’t even gotten to the beers yet.
Actually, I’m less bothered than Garrett by double I.P.A.’s. Europe already has a tradition of augmentative beer terminology, like bock and doppelbock in Germany, and Belgian Trappist ales, which may be double and triple.
Of course, those styles are well understood. Here in the United States, double, imperial and the rest can mean whatever the brewer wants them to mean. Certainly, too, the Old World has its tradition of huge beers. Imperial porters and stouts, barley wines and Trappist ales can easily contain more than 10 percent alcohol, roughly twice the ordinary amount.
We did not include American versions of these genres in our tasting, on the theory that they were not new stylistically. Nor did we include beers that used unusual ingredients or flavorings, like maple syrup, kumquats or whatever. Instead, we focused on beers that took existing styles and exaggerated them. For the most part, this means beers that are hoppy in the extreme.
Brewers have always used the resiny cone of the hop plant to add bitterness and aromas to beer. Hops and alcohol also act as a preservative, and you could make the case that India pale ale, with its higher-than-normal alcohol and hops content, was an extreme beer of the 18th century. So it makes sense that most of the extreme beers today are characterized by their ultrahoppiness. Of the 25 beers we tasted, at least 20 of them would fall into the category of exaggerated I.P.A.’s regardless of what they call themselves.
To carry their extraordinary bitterness and aromatic zest, these beers need a sturdy foundation, so they tend to have outsize malty qualities as well as high alcohol. They are not therefore session beers, brews that you can drink in multiple pints over the course of an evening. Still, the best versions, in which all the elements are well balanced, are highly appealing. Florence, in particular, was surprised at how many she found likable, and even elegant.
Our favorite was the robust 90 Minute Imperial I.P.A. from Dogfish Head, a beer that balances its exaggerated caramel and chocolate sweetness with a bracing bitterness derived from hops. If you sneer at the 90 Minute, Dogfish also occasionally issues its 120 Minute I.P.A., which, at 20 percent alcohol, may well be, as the brewery contends, “the biggest I.P.A. ever brewed.”
Our No. 2 beer, the Weyerbacher Double Simcoe I.P.A., seemed to embody the term “killer,” the extreme beer fan’s favorite compliment. Killer hops, killer fruit, overwhelming yet bearable, even enjoyable, because it is so well balanced.
The No. 3 beer, the I.P.A. Maximus from Lagunitas, was something of a lightweight in this crowd with a mere 7.5 percent alcohol, yet it was lively and energetic with a lush citrus perfume.
By contrast, the Gordon from Oskar Blues — the only beer in our tasting to come in a can — was practically mellow and subdued. Was that a good thing? We thought so, because the flavors were nonetheless distinct and complex.
You would not call the Victory Hop Wallop mellow, but it was fresh and delicious. And you would never call Mad River’s Steelhead Double I.P.A. or Flying Dog’s Double Dog Double Pale Ale subdued. Their signature hop aromas practically punch you in the face.
Our tasting included just a small sampling of the wide variety of extreme beers out there. Frankly, while most American craft brewers do make a version of an extreme beer, they also produce traditional styles as well.
“The extreme beers definitely get more attention,” Mr. Moylan of Moylan Brewery conceded, “but here in the brew pub, most people are drinking the mellower stuff.”
Perhaps that’s a good thing, because the brewing world is now facing an international hops shortage. No, it’s not because of the daunting amount of hops used in many extreme beers. It’s more a result of the normal cycle of supply and demand.
Overproduction of hops in the early 1990s resulted in excess supply and depressed prices, said Ralph Olson, a hops dealer based in Yakima, Wash. As a result, world hop acreage has fallen from about 234,000 in 1994 to 113,000 in 2006. It may take several years, Mr. Olson suggested, for hops production to be able to meet current demands.
Meanwhile, expect beer prices to go up. But there’s nothing wrong with that. If $10 a six-pack is good, $12 is better, right?
Tasting Report: Careful, These Are Beers That Can Bite
Dogfish Head
$3.50, 12 oz.
** 1/2
90 Minute Imperial I.P.A., Milton, Del., 9 percent alcohol
Big and robust with chocolate, caramel and balsam flavors and a
bracingly bitter aftertaste.
Weyerbacher Double Simcoe I.P.A.
$3, 12 oz.
** 1/2
Easton, Pa., 9 percent alcohol
Big and almost overwhelmingly intense yet balanced, with aromas and flavors of sweet fruit and piney hops.
Lagunitas I.P.A. Maximus
$5, 22 oz.
** 1/2
Petaluma, Calif., 7.5 percent alcohol
Lively and energetic with hoppy pine and grapefruit aromas balanced by sweet, grainy malt.
Oskar Blues Gordon
$4.25, 12 oz.
** 1/2 Lyons, Colo., 8.7 percent alcohol
Hoppy aromas of pine resin, yet mellow and balanced with lingering flavors of licorice and tamarind.
Victory Hop Wallop
$2.50, 12 oz.
** 1/2
Downingtown, Pa., 8.5 percent alcohol
Extremely bitter hop flavors, yet balanced with floral and ginger
aromas.
Mad River Brewing Steelhead
$1.75, 12 oz.
** 1/2
Double I.P.A., Blue Lake, Calif., 8.6 percent alcohol
Aromas of caramel and butterscotch with briny flavors and plenty
of hoppy bitterness.
Flying Dog
$3, 12 oz.
**
Double Dog Double Pale Ale, Frederick, Md.
10.5 percent alcohol
Like a fruitcake with hops; fruity with caramel and vanilla flavors and lots of bitter citrus.
Moylan’s Moylander Double I.P.A.
$5.25, 22 oz.
**
Novato, Calif., 8.5 percent alcohol
Hoppy aromas of grapefruit, flowers and pine; full-bodied and slightly sweet yet balanced.
Southern Tier Unearthly
$7, 22 oz.
**
Imperial I.P.A., Lakewood, N.Y., 11 percent alcohol
Silky and very sweet with a Grand Marnier-like orange flavor.
Great Divide Hercules Double I.P.A.
$8, 22 oz.
**
Denver, Colo., 9.1 percent alcohol
Powerful, spicy grapefruit flavors and a lingering alcohol burn.
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Re: Favorite Beers?
by Emily on Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:54 pm
Waterloo Dark is definately my favorite, though the brew pub near my university had an awesome stout.
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Re: Favorite Beers?
by Gene on Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:11 pm
I would like to officially label Fruit Trees as the King of Beer.
What stinks is I don't think we can get any of those beers here on the East Coast.
Although Matthew in NJ, did give me some of the worst but yet best canned beer I've ever seen.
What stinks is I don't think we can get any of those beers here on the East Coast.
Although Matthew in NJ, did give me some of the worst but yet best canned beer I've ever seen.
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Re: Favorite Beers?
by Mathew_NJ on Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:17 pm
[quote="Gene"]I would like to officially label Fruit Trees as the King of Beer.
What stinks is I don't think we can get any of those beers here on the East Coast.
Although Matthew in NJ, did give me some of the worst but yet best canned beer I've ever seen.[/quote]
You didn't really drink that did you?
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Although Matthew in NJ, did give me some of the worst but yet best canned beer I've ever seen.[/quote]
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Re: Favorite Beers?
by jeofvita on Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:37 pm
My favorite WAS Caffrey's Irish Ale ... but they don't import that anymore for some unholy reason.
So I'm constantly on the lookout for something comparable. Any ideas?
I've had Smithwick's which was OK ...
So I'm constantly on the lookout for something comparable. Any ideas?
I've had Smithwick's which was OK ...
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Re: Favorite Beers?
by fruittrees on Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:04 am
Not so much a hometown tale but if I had a favorite beer, I would say anything from the Great American Beer Festival in Denver (GABF to those that know). In regards to distribution and availability blame prohibition, each state decides its own standards.
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Re: Favorite Beers?
by james in erie pa on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:34 am
Guiness, the old standby. Smuttynose, if I'm in the east coast. Europe: German Altbier.
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Re: Favorite Beers?
by Count Scrappula on Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:15 am
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Re: Favorite Beers?
by Dead Guy on Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:27 am
[quote="fruittrees"]each state decides its own standards.[/quote]
not so much. When I turned 18 (not so terribly long ago) I could legally drink in Louisiana. Allowable alcohol content in beer was also higher in La than the rest of the country. The feds held out on highway funding unless the laws were changed. That along with a rising internal push tipped the scales and by the time I turned 20 I could no longer legally drink. No grandfather clause either (bummer). So the Federal Government has some say in it.
But just last year they finally changed the law that had made drive-through daiquiri shops legal.
To pitch in on the subject I've been leaning toward the Belgian beers lately. Duvel, Chimay, Stella Artois.
not so much. When I turned 18 (not so terribly long ago) I could legally drink in Louisiana. Allowable alcohol content in beer was also higher in La than the rest of the country. The feds held out on highway funding unless the laws were changed. That along with a rising internal push tipped the scales and by the time I turned 20 I could no longer legally drink. No grandfather clause either (bummer). So the Federal Government has some say in it.
But just last year they finally changed the law that had made drive-through daiquiri shops legal.
To pitch in on the subject I've been leaning toward the Belgian beers lately. Duvel, Chimay, Stella Artois.
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